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Why is Thanos and so strong? (Infinity War & End Game spoilers)

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• Start date Aug seven, 2019

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• #101

Professor Hulk is canonically weaker than other incarnations iirc, worldbreaker being the strongest

I like the Immortal Hulk. I bet he could've had fun with Thanos.

• #102

As astonishing every bit that sounds, could've merely used items or weaponry covered in blood. A severed caput sounds way too edgy for MCU.

Yeah that scene should accept worked if he just came and dropped the broken shield at their feet and told them he slaughtered their otherworld counterparts gleefully.

• #103

Aw shit...here nosotros get over again.

Thanos on Titan/Earth in IW mail service Gamora had no real interest in killing anyone, he just wanted the stones so he could "save the universe", no ane on Titan could accept stopped him even without the stones.

You lot don't meet Thanos actually fight(aside from bodying hulk in IW with no stones blank handed) until he is pissed off in EG where he is really fighting with intent, and he chumps well-nigh everyone cause he is strong af.

This can't exist right.

The Only reason Thanos countered Dr Stranges magic was because of the stones.

Strange would easily put him down without the stones.,

• #104

Fully hold with this .

Off topic part .
Yep they made her so damn powerful i wonder who the hell they going to have her fighting in other movies .
I can call up of some people but man that shit going to exist so broken lol.

Yeah.
Even reinvigorated fat Thor got bodied by Thanos.
She made it look like shooting fish in a barrel to fight him.
What single villains could they possibly bring against her without doing some form of depowering.

Was she announced to be in anything Phase 4?
Eternals is the simply movie I can meet her Non super OP.

• #105

Thanos without any of the stones is stiff equally shit. He took out Hulk with ease without even using the ability rock.

IW Thor was much stronger than Endgame Thor, which is why he almost took Thanos out with a surprise set on. Fat Thor is much weaker (I think the directors said that themselves).

Not merely that, Endgame Thanos was prime Thanos. Dude was on the meridian of his game wrecking planets without any of the stones.

• #106

2018 Thanos was on a mission to get the stones and remove one-half all life. I call up he wasn't focused on killing the avengers and perchance even wanted them to feel it. I run across 2018 Thanos as a person buying into their own hype. I would say he was pulling his punches for those reasons. Information technology was his weird version of mercy.

2014 Thanos doesn't have the years of experience 2018 Thanos has. He too saw that the Avengers impale him and are now using his reality to undo his other win. This Thanos is younger, more violent, hasn't had plenty time to buy into his ain hype. Thus he goes whole hog on them.

• #107

These threads demonstrate to me repeatedly that you lot guys don't know what you lot're watching.

Thanos beat Hulk with naught stones. That whole scene was put in there to demonstrate just how powerful Thanos was.

The rest of IW Thanos was defending himself. He saw no bespeak in actively engaging anyone since the stones will do it for him when he completes his mission. That last stand with Cap and BP? Thanos could easily have just wiped them out with the gauntlet, but there was no betoken since they were no friction match for him anyway. Thor was a wildcard with a new weapon Thanos never earlier encountered.

Endgame Thanos had no such handicaps to worry nigh. The i guy who could challenge him (Thor) was fat, out of shape, and in his feelings.

• #108

He is buff and he has the stuff.

• #109

Look. So you're saying.... super hero movies aren't real?! This is a revelation that will milk shake this thread to its core.

This is literally a thread asking why fiction is fictional

• #110

2014 Thanos was supremely overconfident and fighting with a sense of "honor" since he wanted his snap to exercise all of the killing randomly.

2019 Thanos is pissed that his plan didn't piece of work like he wanted and is thoroughly sick of the Avengers' shit.

• #111

MCU has done a decent job of setting upwardly the expectation that Space Humanoids are often enhanced, catholic, and superhuman compared to people from World. Basically everybody big and imposing who comes from space has superhuman strength and durability, even if they don't otherwise accept visible powers, like the Kree. And the Asgardians constitute the idea that an unabridged race is inherently super strong, even small guys.

Basically, catholic = power. While on Globe, it requires special circumstances to even start becoming tougher than the average human being.

Thanos is the biggest and meanest looking space mofo, and so naturally he'south equally stiff or stronger than the Hulk all on his own. Though I felt his takedown of the Hulk was meant to be due to his skill, not just ability. He visibly fought with thoughtfulness and CQC talent while Hulk merely raged.

Likewise, in Endgame information technology was clearly demonstrated that Thanos is an extremely skilled fighter, and when he'south taking a fight seriously his skill makes optimal use of his natural power.

And Wanda was a threat to him considering she was using her TK to get around his ability past attacking him at a molecular level, same as she was capable of destroying an Infinity Stone.

• #112

I always took it equally he wasn't messing around this time. Earlier he really wasn't trying to only kill them all

Here is my take.

IW : Thanos beats upward Thor and Blob without using the stones. He's that powerful.

Titan fight : Thanos was not looking to impale the Avengers. When he fought on Titan, he was emotionally and physically drained. Also, they caught him, but his skin is almost unvulnerable (Stormbreaker tin cut it, Ironman got a "drop of claret").

Each time Thanos puts a stone on his gaunlet or apply them, it DRAINS him. Aye he tin use the power of the stones, but it has a price every time he uses them.

Stormbreaker : Thanos is only recovering from putting on the mind rock and getting fried by lightning. He doesn't know what is coming. Besides it'due south possible Stormbreaker absorbed the power of the stones. Concluding point Thor was height shape, full or rage and that axe throw was badass.

Marvel prevents him from closing his hand and then he can't use the stones (including the power stone). She's stronger than him until he uses them. Wanda could beat Thanos besides if she manages not to get hit.

Yup. Difference between Marvel and SW is witch would get destroyed by that headbutt. Really only 2 people were beating downwardly Thanos in EG. Thor and Foreign tin somewhat get toe to toe with him but Foreign was busy and Thor wasn't in summit shape.

• #114

"held his own confronting"

He took her punches, they phased him none, he grabbed her hand and threw her similar 100 feet abroad.

She's apparently physically stronger than him, but he'due south not getting son'd if he was concerned just with fighting (and non trying to snap his fingers). But Scarlett Witch is capable of manhandling him that manner.

• #115

He was really strong in both films. In the battle on Titan he underestimated them and was defenseless by surprise. Mantis is the Just reason they had a adventure in that fight and she had already been using her powers to soothe Ego in Guardians 2. He was also but bested by the Thor due to the chemical element of surprise.

He's not weaker in the beginning moving picture he only has hubris which leaves him vulnerable. In Endgame he knows they killed him then he is more earnest. Even then he underestimates Scarlet Witch and gets squeezed. His principal weakness is hubris just it affected him more than in the showtime movie. I don't run into the confusion tbh it sucks when people even need superhero movies explained.

• #116

Yeah.
Even reinvigorated fatty Thor got bodied past Thanos.
She made it look easy to fight him.
What single villains could they possibly bring against her without doing some grade of depowering.

Was she announced to be in anything Stage 4?
Eternals is the only moving-picture show I can meet her Non super OP.

The Eternals movie is set a million years in the past isn't information technology? But they're immortal then maybe they'll appear in the present twenty-four hours, and being Celestial creations they (or some villain) may be able to do something nigh her power.

Anyway, Adam Warlock? We've yet to see MCU's version of him (he could exist amped up). He carried the soul rock in the comics but is unlikely to practise that in the MCU.

He took her punches, they phased him none, he grabbed her hand and threw her like 100 anxiety away.

She'southward obviously physically stronger than him, but he's not getting son'd if he was concerned but with fighting (and not trying to snap his fingers). Merely Scarlett Witch is capable of manhandling him that manner.

He pulled the ability rock out of the gauntlet and used the power to dial her away. Information technology'due south the same energy she's powered past so it likely had a big result on her.

Anyway, when I saw it information technology did seem like the advantage she had force-wise was offset to overpower him. She may have won out and done meaning damage if given plenty fourth dimension, just as with the scarlet witch.

• #118

well, the move stones are kinda of weak compared to their comic coutnerparts

Yeah, simply that isn't what's being discussed here, is information technology?

• #119

Off Topic
They vastly overpowered Captain Marvel in End Game, she could have effectively solo'd this mission if she was on Earth from the offset.
Across the one striking she got from the Powerstone fist....she took cipher damage and fucked everything upwards that got in her way.
I unintentionally started laughing when the Womens brotherhood (A-Force) came to dorsum her up - You think she needs your backup?...other than Scarlet Witch the rest of the A-Force were scrubs powerlevels wise.

Man when Carol comes in and nukes Thanos'due south ship in one hit, I was basically like Okoye in Infinity War i.e. "Why was she out there all this time?" I wonder if she got some kind of huge buff during the five year gap. She had trouble restraining a desperately weakened older Thanos nevertheless was tanking headbutts from "Not fucking effectually" younger Thanos similar it was zero. Otherwise I'd dearest to know what she was doing during the thirty or so years Thanos was on his campaign of genocide.

• #120

The Eternals picture is set a million years in the past isn't it? But they're immortal so maybe they'll appear in the present solar day, and being Celestial creations they (or some villain) may exist able to do something near her power.

I'm not super familiar with Eternals lore but IIRC they alive so long that they somewhen forget some of their skills over time right? Or did that have something to do with Sprite I can't recall.

Eternals basically have access to a wide variety of cosmic abilities but some specialize in some things over other. They may be all powerful and immortal at the get-go with but I believe that they volition exist powered down a bit in the MCU equally time passes and their story catches upward to the modern solar day MCU setting. I'one thousand sure the moving picture will follow their exploits across millenia.

• #121

Infinity War Thanos must accept been sitting in the chair too long and out of shape.

• #122

I'm non super familiar with Eternals lore but IIRC they live so long that they somewhen forget some of their skills over time right? Or did that have something to practice with Sprite I tin can't recall.

Eternals basically have access to a wide variety of cosmic abilities just some specialize in some things over other. They may be all powerful and immortal the start with merely I believe that they will be powered down a flake in the MCU as time passes and their story catches upward to the modern twenty-four hours MCU setting. I'm sure the movie will follow their exploits across millenia.

I actually wonder if they'll accept the Neal Gaiman arroyo and have them having their memories suppressed and living normal lives until their identities resurface due to an outside influence. Information technology might explain in the MCU why they weren't effectually during the Thanos debacle.

Then the first movie will be their origin a 1000000 years ago, with the second being set in the present day. We may come across some of the intervening history at some point.

Slayven

To Infinity and Across Alkali

• #123

Yeah, but that isn't what's beingness discussed here, is information technology?

Footling besides much base of operations in your voice, don't brand me go up out my chair

• #124

Every bit others have said, In IW he wasn't interested in killing and regularly spared the heroes he fought. He could have hands blinked them out of existence, merely he had a twisted compassion for them.

The Maw called his victims "Children of Thanos", which is how he viewed life in the galaxy. He was their saviour, and he pitied his poor, suffering children.

EG Thanos was Thanos before his god circuitous truly took root. Much more ruthless, especially as he was nonetheless to find a single rock.

• #125

Man when Carol comes in and nukes Thanos's transport in ane striking, I was basically like Okoye in Infinity State of war i.eastward. "Why was she out there all this fourth dimension?" I wonder if she got some kind of huge buff during the five twelvemonth gap. She had problem restraining a badly weakened older Thanos yet was tanking headbutts from "Not fucking around" younger Thanos similar it was null. Otherwise I'd love to know what she was doing during the 30 or and then years Thanos was on his campaign of genocide.

I but saw EG once in the theater then I may well be incorrect merely I idea Carol also took a full on broadside or two from his flagship and didn't blink. I personally read it as her most toying with Thanos before she got decked.

Others have mentioned fatty Thor in EG, only I ever wondered how he overpowered a full on blast from the full gauntlet in that last IW fight after they spent the movie effectively edifice up that the gauntlet was unstoppable. Again, just my read after simply one viewing of each.

• #126

But in Infinity State of war he did beat the hell out of everyone, using or not using the stones. They subdue him using everyone's gimmicks at the same time, and but held him considering of Mantis, who also struggled. Thanos is a freak of nature, in a freak of nature species

• #127

He's non weaker in the first film he but has hubris which leaves him vulnerable. In Endgame he knows they killed him so he is more hostage. Even then he underestimates Ruby Witch and gets squeezed.

I don't retrieve he underestimated her at all. He just didn't know what she was capable of and tried to vanquish her like he did with others. He could non adjust his attacks until he asked for ship bombing backup.

He pulled the power stone out of the gauntlet and used the power to punch her away. Information technology's the same energy she'southward powered by so it probable had a big effect on her.

I think Marvel has the free energy of the space rock, not the power stone.

• #128

I don't remember he underestimated her at all. He just didn't know what she was capable of and tried to beat out her like he did with others. He could not adapt his attacks until he asked for ship bombing backup.

I think Marvel has the free energy of the space stone, not the power stone.

I couldn't recall. Either way he used a rock to punch her abroad.

• #129

But in Infinity War he did beat the hell out of everyone, using or not using the stones. They subdue him using everyone'south gimmicks at the same time, and only held him because of Mantis, who also struggled. Thanos is a freak of nature, in a freak of nature species

Yeah. It's well established that he was property back in IW and in the beginning of Endgame he was both weakened and not willing to put up a fight because he had already accomplished his goal. And was subdued by a surprise attack from Carol.

2014 Thanos, enraged that the Avengers were attempting to undo his work, was not property back.

• #130

The only reason they subdued him long enough on Titan was because of Mantis and clever planning by Starlord.

Kinda ironic that Starlord was the 1 that threw the plan out the window and caused them to lose that fight.

• #131

Because power level fantasy'southward are fucking stupid. Incredibly powerful people can make mistakes, extremely weak people can find moments of opportunity to recover. Comic Books fights aren't a fucking math equation where Thanos is a 9000 and anything nether that will automatically lose. But bask the flick like a normal person.

• #132

He pulled the power stone out of the gauntlet and used the ability to punch her abroad. It's the same energy she'due south powered by so it likely had a big effect on her.

Anyway, when I saw it it did seem like the advantage she had forcefulness-wise was beginning to overpower him. She may take won out and washed meaning damage if given enough time, just as with the ruby-red witch.

No before that. The showtime meetup with Carol had him ultimately besting her (or rather, removing her from the situation). He didn't even wait hurt by her punches, given how quickly he was able to counter her attempts. The second meetup she backed him downward by concentrating her strength (of which he'south no match for).

Slayven

To Infinity and Beyond Brine

• #133

I'g non super familiar with Eternals lore only IIRC they live so long that they eventually forget some of their skills over fourth dimension right? Or did that have something to practice with Sprite I tin't recall.

Eternals basically have access to a wide variety of catholic abilities but some specialize in some things over other. They may be all powerful and immortal at the showtime with just I believe that they will exist powered down a chip in the MCU every bit time passes and their story catches upward to the modern day MCU setting. I'm sure the movie volition follow their exploits across millenia.

They don't forget, but they tin can get out of practise on top of having to railroad train their powers. They also become hyper focused on 1 area. Similar The Interloper while Eternals can develop high level telepathy, he focused his on existence able to bandage illusions, like Cybele focused hers on cloaking herself etc.

• #134

I'm certain it has been said past now (if not, so wtf...how did anybody not know this?) but Thanos having an Infinity Stone doesn't brand him passively stronger whatsoever in terms of how physically capable he is in a physical fight. For example, in the opening of Infinity War, we sentry him easily acceleration Blob. He had the Power Rock on his gauntlet but he did not utilize it a single time during that fight, he beat Hulk as vanilla Thanos. Zilch about that fight would accept been whatever dissimilar had he not had the Power Stone on his gauntlet. He's merely naturally that stiff.

Wielding the Stones simply allows the user to activate the Stone for its specific issue (Ability Stone destroys the Asguardian send, can launch purple energy attacks, etc.). Wielding multiples can allow Thanos to combine them for other effects. (Power Stone shatters the Titan Moon, the Space Stone teleports the debris into Titan's atmosphere and launches them at the Avengers/Guardians).

In other words they requite the user the ability to cast spells and shit. They don't "heave his ability level" like Cell arresting Androids in Dragonball Z or something.

• #135

Little too much base of operations in your voice, don't make me get up out my chair

Simmer down, gramps, I was just request a question.

Slayven

To Infinity and Beyond Alkali

• #136

Simmer down, gramps, I was just asking a question.

Yous better Thanos those books I know that much

• #137

No, in a three hour motion-picture show they didn't demand to waste time "introducing" the villain's weapon. Information technology's non really special or anything.

Vibranium is the most powerful and versatile metal on Globe. That doesn't mean in that location aren't stronger metals out in that location in the universe that his sword was fabricated of.

When the Guardians detect Thor in Infinity War, Gamora remarks his muscles are like "Cotati metal fibers", so I'd imagine that metal is probably the equivalent to Vibranium on Earth but better.

• #138

I recall an issue is people didn't pay enough attention to how tough Thanos really was in IW and when he was or was not using the stones . He beat Hulks ass without them. He rips Tony'south nanosuit autonomously with bare easily. Dude took 2 of the hardest hits Tony Stark could muster upward with his most advanced tech and Tony barely scratched him. Dude is beyond durable and they were consequent with it. Watching raw 2014 Thanos without the stones was awesome because you lot know it will not be easy to bring him down. That's why he is such a great villain. He is powerful, durable, and cunning. You have to find better ways to beat him.

• #139

Since he had Nebula from the future and all the info she had, it would have been nicer if he used that opportunity to learn as much as he could about the Avengers. That manner he could have applied their weaknesses in combat

He didn't use it. Information technology's subtle, but the stones don't activate at all during the opening scene. At a minimum, he was matching Blob'southward strength (possibly even stronger), but a more disciplined and skilled fighter and crush him without activating the power stone.

• #140

The stones don't have any passive abilities, you're either using them or you're not. Thanos was able to beat Hulk blank-handed so information technology'south obvious he has a lot of innate strength.

• #141

I accept a strong feeling that the upcoming Eternals pic will explain why Thanos is so potent, since in the comics, he supposed to be one of the Deviants, the enemies of the Eternals, and his parents are Eternals who alive on Titan.

Though Helm Marvel is stronger than Thanos, since she no-sells his headbutt, and he was only able to beat her by directly treatment the Power Stone.

• #142

You lot know I'm really less concerned about the power level of Thanos and a lot more concerned about the blatant promotion of children eating unlimited hamburgers. I think information technology sends a bad bulletin.

• #143

This is one of the only big failings of the series/arc, IMO.

I recently had to go and google why/how Thanos is then strong, just because i couldn't see it from the comics.

Turns out he spent decades/centuries training and modifying himself and winning wars and subjugating people and shit. And was a member of a very powerful race to begin with.

The movies neatly never touch any of this at all.

• #144

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• #145

It's hard to tell if you lot're being purposely obtuse or really exercise non sympathize that even fictional universes have their own logic and have limits to suspense of disbelief.

The OP is trying to understand the internal consistency of Thanos' strength in the Curiosity movie universe. By your logic, people shouldn't question if all the Avengers suddenly transformed into robots, merged together into a megazord, them got married to Thanos and acted like the rest of the movie never happened.

Thats correct. If those things happened and then thats what was written. Its all make believe. Children can understand this concept and merely enjoy the ride. Adults accept to know shit like "wheres the toilet on a star destroyer" in universes with space wizards and magic stones.

• #146

Because, with every rock that Thanos collects, it WEAKENS him.

2014 Thanos isn't being physically affected by the stones and therefore is more than powerful.

This is the commencement fourth dimension I'm hearing this particular line of reasoning. If stones make you weaker, how come we see him deck captain marvel and send her flying by grabbing the power rock? Wouldn't he be meliorate off dropping the power stone then punching her because it weakens him?

• #147

Bad writing

It'south all but for fun who cares

• #148

I'd hang out with stoned Thanos.

• #149

This is the first time I'thousand hearing this particular line of reasoning. If stones make you lot weaker, how come we see him deck helm marvel and transport her flight by grabbing the power stone? Wouldn't he be better off dropping the ability stone then punching her because it weakens him?

Well, there'south a few things at play here. 1) 2014 Thanos has the gauntlet all but what? A few moments in ED while he is carrying varying numbers of stones for the entirety of IW. I don't see information technology equally the same. Too, when he switches the Power stone to his off hand to deck Marvel, he is using information technology out of desperation for maximum hit effect...or at least that's how I saw it.

We have seen that using the gauntlet does pregnant impairment to the wearer. Hulk was getting fucked upwards by the power of information technology only putting the gauntlet on.

I meet the usage of the stones as a drain over time.

• #150

It's just an event with the Endgame writing. The concluding battle had to exist tough merely they didn't bother offering narrative justification.

Information technology's especially apparent when you've got similar 10 heroes on the battlefield going subsequently Thanos but they each individual 30 second scuffles with Thanos simply information technology's like they've been snapped out of existence when they're non on screen.

I could run across the justification being that they couldn't get into a position where they could gang up on Thanos like they did in Infinity War, but again, they just didn't care enough to really form a narrative justification.

Information technology'southward ane of the reasons the action sequences are like a chiliad times improve in Infinity State of war IMO.

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